Epik infield Oct 09 – ‘Engaged Asian’

In the following video you’ll see me meet a cute Asian girl with glasses in the XS Nightclub  in the Encore Hotel. After the video is the description of how I had sex with this girl within 24 hours. The footage is a bit shaky, because the cameraman was Nick Quick… and he was making out with a girl for most of the night. He did a pretty good job of keeping the camera steady… but you can’t fault him for getting distracted. ;)

As you’ll see from watching this video, this girl is ‘happily engaged’ but she still allows me to verbally and physically escalate with her (other than an in-venue makeout, which would have killed the sexual tension). 

After talking for another 30 minutes I get her number and take off. I know that her (logistically cockblocking) friends leave town the next morning, so things can progress more naturally once I get her away. I number close her and we exchange a few texts throughout the night, planning a meetup the next day.

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The next afternoon:

I picked her up at Red Rocks Casino and drove her to ‘a surprise.’ Oh you betcha she wanted to know where we were going, but all I told her was that I had an adventure planned. I whisked her away to the magical land that makes girls get all hot and bothered every time they see it. That’s right fellas – Walmart. 

Ok, so not very sexy. It would have been better to just take her straight to my house, but I had a few things I needed to get, and dragged her along. The point is, I took her on a short, mundane trip.

Before we continued our ‘adventure,’ I had to "drop the stuff we just bought back at my place."

She mentioned several times at the store that she was not going to have sex with me, because of "you know, my situation." [the engagement]. I replied "of course" every time. I also tried to playfully kiss her once and she pulled away. I just smiled and teased her for ‘making me do things like that.’

If you’re ever in this situation, don’t react, don’t do a ‘freeze-out’ to punish her for her emotions. That’s mean, tacky, and won’t work. Don’t try and convince her logically to do something – that NEVER works. Just make her emotions want you so much that her mind will make the leap itself and bypass logictown. (For more about this idea, see Nick’s great article on cognitive dissonance)

I know she likes me. She REALLY likes me and responds well kino-wise to everything, although I haven’t kissed her lips yet. So before we got in the car to go to my place I hugged her tight, and started kissing her neck. She moaned and held me closer, and I just kept it up. No move towards her mouth, just getting her body and emotions to want me, so she could overcome any logical reason she might have against being physical with me (most likely: "I’m HAPPILY engaged to a man I love, and this might break his heart." )

(Me mentioning "what’s wrong?" when she didn’t want to kiss me would be the absolute WORST thing to do).

Back at my place I pull out my guitar (since she liked music) and played her a couple songs. Not that you need guitar for pickup, but that’s what I did. If I didn’t play guitar I’d do something else fun like showing her a great youtube video or whatever. Or better yet, you can just skip right to…

A Great Pretext To Get A Girl To Lie In Bed With You 

I pulled out my little planetarium.

Watch out baby, here come the moves! We lie on the bed, look up at the stars, I pull her close and start rubbing her back as I tell her a little bit about the stars and constellations. Astronomy is one of my hobbies, so I can go on for awhile about the stars. If you have a planetarium, you can just learn one constellation and the story behind it, and you’re golden (Andromeda and Perseus is a good one, but really, there aren’t any constellations with boring stories behind them). 

I pull her close, and kiss the top of her head. She throws her leg over me and pulls me close to her. I lean in for a kiss, and she pulls back (Goddamn it. Nick Quick rarely gets this kind of Last Minute Resistance. We think it’s because I’m more classically attractive, so girls are more likely to see me as a ‘player’ and hold back.)

So what do I do? Smile and escalate. She didn’t pull her body away, so I knew she physically wanted me, she just wasn’t mentally ready. So I started trailing kisses down her neck, across her chest, pulling her hips into mine, dry humping a little bit, etc. She moaned and responded with hip movement. I put my thigh in between her legs and start rubbing her clit on my leg through our jeans. My goal was to get her stimulated enough and so turned on that her hormones took over. I pulled her close to my face and whispered "Do you want to kiss me?" and got a "Yes. Yes. But we can’t." So I lean in so our lips are touching and say "of course not. Feeling my lips against yours would be so very, very wrong…" 

And we start making out.

At this point I started doing the final steps of Vin DiCarlo’s excellent Kino Escalation Ladder. Pulling up our shirts so our stomachs are rubbing, kissing her everywhere, then I pulled her on top of me and put my hands down the back of her pants and squeezing her bare ass. We keep this up for awhile, just to work her into a frenzy. (Well, it’s doing the same thing to me, too, but that’s part of the fun!)

Then I go for DiCarlo’s sweetest move – the hand on the ass slips down further and surprises her with fingers in her pussy. Two things happen simultaneously:

  1. I feel that she is absolutely sopping wet.
  2. She yanks my hand out and scoots away. "No! None of that," she says with a smile.

So do I freeze her out? Punish her for rejecting me? Hell no! I want to reward her for letting me get this far, and just keep letting her body tell her mind what she wants to do. 

I smile and say "Sorry, but you just turn me on SOOOOO much." And look her in the eyes while I slowly lick my fingers. Then we’re back to gentle kisses and more dry humping.

The ULTIMATE Move To Turn A Girl On

What more can I do, you ask? My finger had been inside of her, and still that didn’t turn her on enough. What on earth can turn a girl on more than having her clit rubbed from a guy’s leg in her crotch and having a finger inside her from the other direction? What’s stronger than direct skin contact on her wet pussy from a guy she clearly likes? 

OK, here’s the secret. I’ve got a move left. It’s the BE-ALL-END-ALL of moves to turn a girl on. In fact, the only reason I’ve been writing this post like I’m some kind of ‘Penthouse Letter’ douchebag is because I want to drive home how POWERFUL this move is. None of the things I’d done so far compared to the sheer power of what I was about to do. You can even do a toned-down version of this move in public right after meeting a girl and I GUARANTEE she will get physically aroused. 

You ready? Here’s what I did: I took her hand, and put it on my crotch so she could feel my dick through my pants. 

Yep! That’s the secret move.

Here’s WHY it works (and this is key): Women’s minds are their most powerful sex organ. Knowing that they can turn a guy on makes them feel empowered and sexy as fuck. In addition, she will be turned on by the sheer BALLS of a guy taking charge and putting her hand on his erection. How many guys have done this to them? Very few. The thing is, women are PROGRAMMED to crave dick. And seeing and feeling a dick turns them on. 

If a girl should read this and tell you that it wouldn’t work, then she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Often girls are turned on physically by things that they mentally are not attracted to – and they don’t even know it. When McGill University measured blood flow to women’s genitals while they watched different kinds of porn, women SAID that they weren’t turned on by the smut, but the thermal imaging shows that they physically WERE aroused. If you still think I’m talking out of my ass about female sexuality, go read Nancy Friday’s My Secret Garden and/or Robin Baker’s Sperm WarsThose books will let you know what’s REALLY going on in women’s heads.

   

Also, sometime Nick should post about when years ago some bachelorettes left a big black dildo in his bar after their party, so as a joke he put it on display near the cash register. Girls would see it and laugh, then point it out to their friends. "Ewww!" "Gross!" "Oh my god I would run away from a guy like that. It’s too big!" "Disgusting!" And yet, every single girl had dilated pupils (uncontrollable sign of arousal) and their nipples visibly hardened through their shirts, despite it being the middle of summer.

Anyway, I put her hand on my dick. Then I moaned into her ear and whispered "Look how HARD you made me. You make me feel SOOO GOOD." She started breathing quicker, and the next step was to open my fly so she could feel my cock in her bare hands. 

After that it was all just me making sure that she heard/felt me respond whenever she did something I liked, telling her how sexy she was, and how much she made me want her. Less than a minute later, I slid my hand down the back of her pants again and my fingers went inside of her with no resistance. I said "Oh my GOD you are SO WET for me" and that pushed her over the edge. 

Ok, you don’t need anymore filthy play-by-play. Clothes came off and we had an awesome time.

Epilogue

Later we took a shower and rested on my bed a bit before I drove her to the airport. During the post-coital debriefing (which you should always do to learn about weak spots in your game) I asked her when she was first sexually attracted to me. She said "Right after you first walked up to talk to me you grabbed my hand. I thought ‘wow, this guy is confident and fun.’"

A Word of Warning

When you put her hand on your dick in a bar or anywhere else public (which you should do almost EVERY TIME a girl gives you an erection) then you have to keep your speaking tone sexually neutral. (for more on creating sexual tension, listen to the Sexual Escalation Teleconference)

In brief, you should:

  1. Be discreet. If there’s ANYBODY else that can see her hand go to your crotch, don’t do it. If you want a Same Night Lay you have to demonstrate that you’re discreet. 
  2. The tone of your voice shouldn’t be ‘sexy.’ it should be absolutely UN-sexy. In the same tone you would say "Yeah, I saw Toy Story 2. It was OK" you say something like "Yikes, look how turned on you’re making me. You really need to stop it. You’re awful."
  3. If she gives you ANY resistance, don’t force it. Just release her hand and tease her with a "You need to stop flirting with me, making me do things like that. You’re SO inappropriate." And try again later.

Oh, and it doesn’t work as well if you’re completely flaccid. It might turn a girl on because you’re showing BALLS by being so Alpha, but having her hand on your limp dick is a joke, not a turn-on. That being said, if a girl ever asks you if she turns you on, then do it anyway, and laugh at her for being so gullible. Then escalate and put her hand back there once you get hard or have a halfie.

– Epik

  • Matt

    Haha, great report.

    I love how she shook her head “No!”
    when she said she was happily engaged.

    Lol. Looking forward to more fellas.

  • ray

    Great report but if you teaching same night lay and get no results thats pretty bad!

    Just being real

  • http://CharmingRogue.com Nick Quick

    Ray,

    Thanks for being “real” but I’m not sure what you mean?

    Sure he didn’t technically get her that night for logistical reasons (she’s ENGAGED!!! and her friends are there who know & like her fiancee!!)…He did, however, get her early the next morning when her friends got on the plane.

    It was so soon after this night that I’d honestly be surprised if she even went to bed before she came over and fucked Epik’s brains out! (In that regard you could almost count it as an SNL but we’re not going to…)

    Listen, I have never met a PUA or even a gifted natural that gets a Same Night Lay EVERY NIGHT. And that’s the beauty of what we’re teaching.

    Will you get a Same Night Lay most of the nights you go out…YES! But even on those nights where you may have to wait a few hours later, you’re still getting laid!

  • Ace

    I loved the set control, the cool and awesome compliments with the awesome kino the whole time that was dope.

    But when Epik sexually framed her as having a naughty side while sitting down, I wouldn’t have let that stay up in the air like that though, he let her anti-slut defense come out..

    AsianHB: I know where to draw the line…so like every time you’re out here are you always good at picking up a chick, you seemed well versed in the ‘art’…

    That’s fucking hilarious but she put Epik on the defensive and the frame was kinda shaken but he recovered well with pulling her head in to hug him and controlling the set again when her friend came in.

    Eventually the kino and the sexual frames put the possibility of sex in her mind so she said she was engaged, meaning “we have to be discreet, I don’t want any of the responsibility and/or the guilt”.

    “So you’re saying I have to be discreet” that one pretty much sealed the deal, she kinoed Epik, told him he was horrible but she liked it and grabbed his hand. Done deal.

    Great pick up Epik and crazy Nick filming on stand by haha

  • Chase

    I hope you planned to follow through with this girl… taking some guys potentially wife just for the game of it is messed up.
    Props for the flow of this SNL though.

  • http://witch60.com Dylan

    The part where you have great game makes me a little bit crazy with jealousy. It’s amazing.

    The part where you knowingly fuck another man’s fiance even though they clearly don’t have an open relationship is questionable. According to my personal values this does not speak well for your company. Are you really okay with presenting this face to the public?

  • http://facebook.com/richardhouston Richard Mars

    Wow! I’m really loving this! Incredible stuff! Truly Epik! (feel like a journalist commenting on a new film) I appreciate you posting this content Nick and Epik. The fact that she is “engaged” is WHY this is a perfect post! Yes this can be a controversial posting. The truth is that this proves that women absolutely crave sex. I am mos def going to this SNS training. You guys rock

  • http://www.theredmole.com/ Steve (el topo)

    Cool Vid guys,
    always enjoy your stuff, keep up the good work.

    As you know, I’m a big fan

    Word to the Motha!

    Steve

    http://www.theredmole.com/
    http://www.youtube.com/user/theREDmolecom

  • http://CharmingRogue.com Nick Quick

    @Dylan We’re not saying YOU have to do this. If you don’t feel it’s right, no big deal.

    However, the perfectly satisfied woman CANNOT be seduced.

    Her behavior in this situation is not our moral decision…It’s hers!! She is a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. In no way did Epik force or coerce her to do what she did.

    She obviously had some unfulfilled needs and desires she needed to experience. In that way, Epik’s kind of a humanitarian for allowing her to do experience what she needed.

    If that’ not your style…no big deal…don’t do it. But as for us, we don’t judge women for their sexual behavior and feel they should be able to experience whatever it is they truly desire.

  • Ace

    Wow epik, after watching this small vid a few weeks ago, I have become a kino monster, I open sets with kino, hugs, high fives, you fucking name it, I even kiss opened a girl, something magnetic like’.

    And Nick you too dude, the other snake bite vid was fucking awesome, I am constantly doing the hair pulling now, and I realized the important element for snl’s, having fun.

    More vids bros, from both you guys, thanks!

  • Paul

    Guys —

    Remove this video before her friends and boyfriend find out. It’s only fair to the girl.

  • http://CharmingRogue.com Nick Quick

    @Paul Although, I genuinely agree that videos like this violate a core ideal of SNL game (discretion), we have decided that videos like this are too instructive to not be posted.

    Here’s the deal….most guys have never seen good examples of what an actual “pick up” looks like…even when they go out with good instructors (though going out with a good instructor is a very important factor in getting better at this), so they have no idea how to apply the theory and “techniques” they have rattling around in their brains when they go out.

    Also, it is becoming more and more apparent that there are many charlatans in the industry. Sure they can talk good game, but can they actually DO good game? At SNS we are willing to put our money where our mouths are so you can know that what we offer DOES work!

    That being said, we are working on better video editing techniques so we can better hide the identities of all participants in the interaction.

  • Paul

    Nick — I appreciate your instructor’s skills. The issue, however, is the video’s potential to destroy someone’s life. You can be sure that someone is going to recognize all the friends that are seen around her. Then they’ll go back to her, her family, and boyfriend. Who knows how she’ll react?

    I want you to be successful. That’s why I believe you should have the decency and common legal sense to take this video off your blog — before the bad karma comes back at you.

    I know you’ve got skills yourself. Posting another successful infield video (that’s been properly edited) will only prove that you’ve got game and serve as a helpful teaching tool to your students and potential customers.

  • Kevin

    You guys know better than I do. That anyone who is considered to be amazing at social dynamics can get any girl if he deliberately goes after her. In fact, he doesn’t have to go after her deliberately because the less he tries the more attracted she is to him.

    I lived in a house of 4 other dating coaches and I know no matter how good any of us were than eachother…either of us could have stolen eachother’s girls because we knew how to manipulate a woman to feeling emotional enough to follow our advances.

    Look, I’m not judging. Just be aware of what you are doing. Use your powers for good or evil. Yet, I personally don’t need to steal anyone’s girl just for some pussy. I know I can get her so I’ll let her be in her relationship. Grow-up guys.